Since I upgraded to Dragon 13, I have lost fulltext control in many text boxes that I used to have. For example, on this forum box, I am able to dictate, but when I say, “select all” And then say, “read that”, I get the message that there is no dictation here, and as a result I can’t activate the important read that. Is full text control totally a function of the web developer, or are the things I can do in terms of settings to change that?
Are you sure that you have installed the web extensions correctly. There are web extensions that are ARIA compatible for Internet Explorer, Firefox, and Google Chrome, which support Full Text Control (Select-and-Say) in all three browsers, but not necessarily in all websites. For example, in Mozilla Firefox search box, you do not have Full Text Control (Select-and-Say). However, in VoiceComputer under Internet Explorer, Firefox, and Google Chrome, you should have Full Text Control (Select-and-Say). If you do not have Full Text Control (Select-and-Say) in any of these browsers, then the web extension for DNS 13 has either not been installed and/or has not been installed properly. The web extension for all three browsers Re: DNS 13 is required for Full Text Control (Select-and-Say). Also, if, for any reason, you have the previous Dragon web extension also installed and which has not been removed (version 1.0 with DNS 13 being 2.0 and the extension beginning with 13 Re: the version number), then remove the older extension and make sure that the new one is installed and activated. In some cases, the web extension may be installed but not activated, but this is largely dependent upon the particular browser that you are using.
I think I have all of them.
Chrome â€“ 188.8.131.52 4 â€“ I checked off allow access to URL
Internet Explorer â€“ 13.0 no mention of numbers or anything else
Firefox â€“ 13.0 0.200 no mention of numbers etc.
In this very text box I am able to dictate plaintext, but the green DNS message says, “unknown text consider using show dictation box”
Dragon NaturallySpeaking plug-in for Firefox 184.108.40.206 (Always Activate)
Dragon Web Extension for Firefox 13.00.200.295
Dragon Web Extension for Google Chrome 220.127.116.11
Dragon NaturallySpeaking HTML Component 13.00.000.123
Dragon NaturallySpeaking Web Extension for Internet Explorer 18.104.22.168
These are the plug-ins or add-ins and version numbers for DNS 13 for Firefox, Internet Explorer, and Google Chrome.
As I said, not everything supports Full Text Control (Select-and-Say), even in Internet Explorer. Some webpages have limited Full Text Control (Select-and-Say). For example, Full Text Control (Select-and-Say) in Firefox for this web site (VoiceComputer) has limited Full Text Control (Select-and-Say). Nevertheless, it does at least allow you to dictate and correct, even though there are problems with selecting and correcting (i.e., selecting text on the visible page or saying correct ). On the other hand, you have complete Full Text Control (Select-and-Say) in the VoiceComputer forum under IE 11 in Windows 7 and Windows 8.
DNS 13 is still too new, so the reasons why certain things work the way they do in particular browsers is still unclear. Nonetheless, I don’t get any particular error message such as what you’re getting.
Note in the screen capture below the green circle in the New DragonBar indicates that there is Full Text Control (Select-and-Say) enabled in Firefox 32.0.1. Here I’m using DNS 13 Professional, but I get the same with DNS 13 Premium.
Thank you for your advice. I think I have all of the above add-ins. In addition, I upgraded from Internet Explorer 10 to Internet Explorer 11.I think what you point about not all websites allowing full text control is what is germane here. That explains why I get full capabilities on some website text boxes and not on others. The only open issue here is that I am using Internet Explorer 11 to dictate this message. Dictation works great, but if I try for a, “read that”, it won’t do it. It’s not a big deal as I can just use the dictation box for review and editing. As a reminder, I am using Internet Explorer 11 with Windows 7. I was optimistically hoping that there was some setting that I could enable.
You can always read back (read that) any text that you have dictated. However if you are selecting text in a text box that you have not dictated yourself, then “read that” won’t work. However, as you point out, if you select text that you have not dictated and copy it into the dictation box, or notepad, or DragonPad, etc., then you can use the “read that” function. You know when you can’t use the “read that” function/command you get the error message in the DragonBar that says you “Can’t read here”.
This is the way Dragon has worked for at least the past two versions (DNS 11, 12, and 13 (current version).
That said, what is it that you are trying to read back (Read that)? Keep in mind that “read that” doesn’t work everywhere under every condition. Besides, the “Read that” capability is unrelated to Full Text Control (Select-and-Say) anyway. I anticipate that one of the things are going to say is that “it worked for me before”, but it really didn’t. You just happen to hit the right set of conditions.Chucker2014-09-15 10:41:20
First thing you have to remember is that Full Text Control (Select-and-Say) only works in HTML Windows. Therefore, you have to have the checkboxes checked (i.e., which is the default) in the Dragon Options dialog | Commands tab | Enable HTML support, Enable commands in HTML Windows, and you should have the one for Require “Click” to select hyperlinks in HTML Windows in order to avoid inadvertently selecting links. If you have disabled those options, you won’t have Full Text Control (Select-and-Say) anywhere. On the other hand, if any webpage does not support HTML or HTML 5, you are unfortunately SOL. Nuance’s done a lot with DNS 13 but they cannot control that. Perhaps someday in a future version that may change. But the way webpages are written is critical to whether or not they will function properly with Full Text Control (Select-and-Say) being enabled.
That being said, it depends upon whether or not the text box that you are dictating into is HTML/HTML 5. If not, and there are some webpages that do not support HTML/HTML 5, then there’s nothing that Dragon can do about that. It’s not that DNS 13 is shakier. It’s that Firefox and Google Chrome are and always have been shaky even with the current support under DNS 13.Chucker2014-09-25 07:13:09
You attached a screen capture above. Remember, Full Text Control (Select-and-Say) is only enabled in HTML pages (HTML/HTML 5). In the screen capture you are in the Extensions tab. In Google Chrome the Extensions tab is not Full Text Control (Select-and-Say) capable. The same applies to the address bar and the Google search for because these are not HTML Windows. However, the VoiceComputer forum window (MessageBox) should be Full Text Control (Select-and-Say) enabled, as well as the KnowBrainer forum and similar webpages. Remember, if you can’t dictate into a webpage anywhere, you’re not going to have Full Text Control (Select-and-Say) displaying the green icon.
Good morning, Chucker:
Here is the screenshot.
In your screen shot you show “Enable HTML support” unselected. You’re shooting yourself in the foot. All of those features under that checkbox, as well as HTML support, are disabled. If you do that, there’s no HTML support and consequently no Full Text Control (Select-and-Say) in HTML Windows.
Not all text Windows are created equal as far as Full Text Control (Select-and-Say) is concerned. Also, accessibility is sometimes interfered with by other applications and add-ons. For example, and I haven’t figure this out for myself, Full Text Control (Select-and-Say) is fully enabled in all of the KnowBrainer message reply Windows (i.e., Reply and Quick Reply) in IE 11. However, I have a conflict somewhere that prevents me from accessing the “Save” and “Cancel” buttons in the full Reply window in the KnowBrainer forum. In Google Chrome, the Full Reply window will allow corrections if you manually select them, but it doesn’t allow select and correct. This could also be a conflict somewhere along the line with an add-in or a plug-in, but my point is that not all webpages and text Windows are created equal, and you can end up with conflicts that are difficult to pin down.
The same problem manifested itself in Google Chrome when accessing this forum regardless of the Reply window that you choose. You can say “correct that” to correct the last utterance, you can select text by mouse and say “correct that”, but not all the Full Text Control (Select-and-Say) capabilities are available.
My guess is that this is among the things that Nuance will have to address whenever they get around to it.
What browser? What is the Web Extension version number? Are the Web Extension(s) in whatever browser you’re using enabled?
Are you having problems with Full Text Control (Select-and-Say) anywhere else? If so, where?
Click the icon with 3 bars at the very right, underneath the close button, then click the Settings menu option, then click the Extensions option on the left of the screen. I am using Dragon Web Extension 22.214.171.124, and Numbers Engine 0.0.55, which I guess are the latest versions.